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[03:00pm] <Bratt> FleshJoe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[03:00pm] <Rowdy> hi FleshJoe
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[03:03pm] <Kre8t0r> OK folks time for more fun Google info
[03:03pm] <Bratt> =)
[03:03pm] <Rowdy> cool
[03:03pm] -> *Kaina* you around?
[03:04pm] <SinSeer> if the info is 'google hates sinseer' i'm way ahead
of you
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[03:05pm] <Kre8t0r> it doesnt hate you you just never called back SinSeer
[03:05pm] <SinSeer> i linked back i thought that was enough
[03:05pm] <nuclei> he forgot to swallow
[03:05pm] <SinSeer> what a whore google is
[03:05pm] <Kre8t0r> LOL
[03:05pm] <Tana> mmmmm whores
[03:05pm] <nuclei> Hi guys :)
[03:06pm] <Kre8t0r> Google doesnt like spitters
[03:06pm] <Kre8t0r> heh
[03:06pm] <Tana> heya nuclei, rowdy, kre8t0r, SinSeer
[03:06pm] <Kre8t0r> welcome nuclei!
[03:06pm] <NevDull> Well, they deindexed my spam pages.
[03:06pm] <Tana> an Brrrrratt
[03:06pm] <SinSeer> hullo
[03:06pm] <Rowdy> hi Tana
[03:06pm] <Kre8t0r> bummer Nev
[03:06pm] <nuclei> ok sinseer has actually hit on the topic for today without
knowing it :)
[03:06pm] <SinSeer> they got me for duplicate content on a stupid adults
only warning
[03:06pm] <Kre8t0r> he has a talent for that
[03:06pm] <SinSeer> aha! i KNEW google hated me
[03:06pm] <nuclei> what a whore google can be
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[03:07pm] <Rowdy> Hiya Kit
[03:07pm] <Kit> Hiya:))
[03:07pm] <Kre8t0r> hey Kit!
[03:07pm] <bear40> hiya Kit
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[03:07pm] <NevDull> I think they should call link pop "page promiscuity".
[03:07pm] <nuclei> this weeks traffic chat is mostly about some new changes,
and a lot of speculation on google just before and after the IPO
[03:07pm] <Tana> IPO
[03:08pm] <nuclei> In case some of you dont yet know it Google just went
public and is now the mother of fucking cunts at the moment
[03:08pm] <Kre8t0r> perfect
[03:09pm] <SinSeer> i knew that about google months ago but tell us more!
[03:09pm] <nuclei> starting about 4 weeks ago they decided to start getting
aggressive with spam
[03:09pm] <SinSeer> (no i'm not bitter)
[03:09pm] <nuclei> they kicked this off with a major fuckup that we now
call the dupe filter
[03:10pm] <Kre8t0r> over aggressive at that IMO
[03:10pm] <Mr-Yellow> remember they ran a competition to find some 15yo
that could write an awesome dupe filter almost a year ago
[03:10pm] <nuclei> they took approximately 474,000 pages out of the index
based on duplicate content, that we assume was an attempt at an algo change based
on their "fingerprinting" duplicated content patent.
[03:11pm] <nuclei> this happened directly after a PR/IBL update
[03:11pm] <Kre8t0r> the one that they did 4 weeks ago?
[03:11pm] <nuclei> many of you saw the results of this fiasco by losing
pages from the index, losing all PR, and being penalized to hell and back
[03:12pm] <nuclei> Bratt herself saw a number of sites wasted completely
[03:12pm] <Kre8t0r> =/
[03:12pm] <Bratt> =(
[03:12pm] <Kre8t0r> for no damn reason either
[03:12pm] <Bratt> went from pr4 to off the index
[03:12pm] <nuclei> oh it is getting better
[03:13pm] <Kre8t0r> nice.... whats next on the Google hitlist?
[03:13pm] <nuclei> since that initial fiasco, they have toned and tweaked
the filter so it is not nearly as harsh
[03:13pm] <nuclei> but they have been playing with other things as well
in the meanwhile
[03:13pm] <NevDull> Will things that get dropped get "undropped"?
[03:14pm] <nuclei> most seo's now are leaning towards a new page filter
being in place
[03:14pm] <NevDull> Or will only new pages be affected?
[03:14pm] <nuclei> where new pages are not allowed to rank well based on
certain criteria, such as overnight link popularity in large numbers
[03:14pm] <nuclei> Nevdull in the past week I have had 4 clients get relisted
[03:15pm] <NevDull> Automatically, or by doing something?
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[03:15pm] <nuclei> they all sent an email to webmaster@google.com with a
short email saying they had been reading the guidelines and do not see wh their
sites were dropped 3-4 weeks ago, and could google please fix it.
[03:15pm] <Kre8t0r> hello TinCan
[03:15pm] <Kit> Hi TinCan
[03:15pm] <TinCan> hello everyone
[03:16pm] <TinCan> =P
[03:16pm] <nuclei> all 4 of them were relisted with no return email, and
within a day of sending the email
[03:16pm] <Kre8t0r> might have to send one of those myself
[03:16pm] <NevDull> Were all 4 mainstream sites?
[03:16pm] <nuclei> further telling us that google indeed knows they fucked
up with that filter
[03:16pm] <nuclei> yes they were so far
[03:16pm] <nuclei> thats the easy part
[03:16pm] <NevDull> I'd be interested in hearing in the future if you know
of any adult sites managing to do the same.
[03:17pm] <nuclei> there is also a new "linkfarm" filter
[03:17pm] <nuclei> we saw major evidence of this just this past update
[03:17pm] <Rowdy> hi TinCan
[03:17pm] <sec_man> how do they define "link farm"?
[03:17pm] <TinCan> hey Rowdy wassup
[03:17pm] <nuclei> it took a lot of our sites out, it took a lot of other
poeoples networks out
[03:17pm] <Tana> yer beat me to it sec...
[03:17pm] <nuclei> mainly for crosslinking
[03:17pm] <Kre8t0r> ok so do they have any description of what they class
a "linkfarm"?
[03:18pm] <Rowdy> just listening to the info :)
[03:18pm] <nuclei> now
[03:18pm] <nuclei> none of my sites have lost rankings
[03:18pm] <TinCan> cool smae here
[03:18pm] <nuclei> none of my sites have lost PR
[03:18pm] <nuclei> but a lot of their IBL's show as 0 regardless
[03:18pm] <nuclei> and they dont pass PR
[03:18pm] <nuclei> the good news is, google fucked up in amajor way this
time
[03:19pm] <Kre8t0r> ok and this is good how?
[03:19pm] <nuclei> because they caught some larger players with this one
[03:19pm] <Kre8t0r> ok
[03:19pm] <NevDull> Because small fuckups wouldn't get corrected.
[03:19pm] <nuclei> namely hotscripts.com, and a part of internet.com networks
[03:19pm] <Kre8t0r> ouch
[03:19pm] <nuclei> hotscripts currently does not pass PR
[03:19pm] <nuclei> at all
[03:20pm] <nuclei> I cant see INet tech being happy about that :P
[03:20pm] <Kre8t0r> so i would assume we can expect another shakedown to
correct this?
[03:20pm] <nuclei> so I do expect this filter is slowly being reverted/corrected
as well
[03:20pm] <Kre8t0r> ok
[03:21pm] <nuclei> our last se workshop was all about methods and relevancy
[03:21pm] <nuclei> because at that time thats all that was needed
[03:21pm] <NevDull> Bah... internet.com sucks ass anyway. ;)
[03:21pm] <Kre8t0r> this last update didnt do anything for me good or bad...
we lost sites on the one before tho
[03:21pm] <nuclei> and in the span of a few short weeks, we are laying with
a whole new ballfield
[03:22pm] <Kre8t0r> perfect
[03:22pm] <nuclei> we know what filters went into place
[03:22pm] <Kre8t0r> so whats the key to keeping Google happy now?
[03:22pm] <nuclei> so we know approximately how to correct our habits
[03:22pm] <SinSeer> $$$
[03:23pm] <Kre8t0r> lol SinSeer
[03:23pm] <nuclei> kre8 not much has changed there really. It is heading
towards a "those that can pay, win" scene
[03:23pm] <NevDull> That can pay what?
[03:23pm] <Kre8t0r> Yahoo all over again?
[03:23pm] <NevDull> Or do you simply mean AdWords?
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[03:24pm] <NevDull> I don't see where else money comes in.
[03:24pm] <nuclei> but at the moment theres still the old standby's: links,
relevancy, with a twisted dupe and crosslink finer
[03:24pm] <Mr-Yellow> funny.... when I paid for adwords I lost my free index
for 4 months.... don't really know why but it wouldn't reindex.... was a good
while ago now.....
[03:24pm] <nuclei> the free generic search results are slowly coming to
be a thing of the past
[03:24pm] <nuclei> yahoo has sold out for the allmighty buck, googles heading
that way
[03:25pm] <nuclei> adsense now assures you of being crawled daily
[03:25pm] <Mr-Yellow> time to start using allofem.com :-)
[03:25pm] <sec_man> so why is it that i have much better listings in yahoo?
[03:25pm] <Mr-Yellow> sorry.... alltheweb.com
[03:25pm] <Kre8t0r> recently sec_man?
[03:25pm] <nuclei> sec because they have not gotten enough paying people
yet to do away with the generic listing alltogether yet
[03:26pm] <sec_man> yeah sense yahoo dropped google
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[03:26pm] <nuclei> alltheweb is now yahoo isnt it?
[03:26pm] <Orbitalz> isn't overture powered by yahoo in someway?
[03:26pm] <Kre8t0r> hmmm so how are they going to maintain a db of the size
Googles is now with paid listings?
[03:26pm] <Mr-Yellow> not sure.... clean like google and sometimes it has
things google doesn't
[03:27pm] <nuclei> yahoo owns em now
[03:27pm] <NevDull> Yahoo's paid listings are from the Overture program,
which Yahoo owns.
[03:27pm] <Mr-Yellow> k.... next :-)
[03:27pm] <nuclei> kre you have to look at it from the engines view
[03:27pm] <nuclei> their generic listings are bloated to hell with spam
[03:28pm] <NevDull> "How do we keep 4 million pages in our index without
having people pay?"
[03:28pm] <Kre8t0r> true
[03:28pm] <NevDull> err... billion
[03:28pm] <nuclei> face it, 30% or better of their total listings are cloned
sites, spam, garbage
[03:28pm] <Mr-Yellow> but the only place I'll ever find specific targetted
info is in free listings
[03:28pm] <NevDull> Or Linux HOWTOs.
[03:28pm] <NevDull> Blecch
[03:28pm] <Kre8t0r> i agree there nuc
[03:28pm] <Mr-Yellow> no one pays to promote their 3 year old BBS post about
some facet of code
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[03:28pm] <Kit> Hey Stu! :)))))))
[03:28pm] <Bratt> heya stu!
[03:28pm] <Rowdy> hi stuveltje
[03:28pm] <NevDull> I love you, stuveltje!
[03:28pm] <stuveltje> hya kit, bratt, rowdy.lol. nevdull
[03:29pm] <nuclei> the generics will still be there, you will just have
to dig deep to find em
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[03:29pm] <Rowdy> hi Electra
[03:29pm] <Kit> Hi Electra:))
[03:29pm] <Bratt> hi Electra!!!!
[03:29pm] <stuveltje> hya electra
[03:29pm] <Electra> Hi Rowdy..Kit :)
[03:29pm] <Kre8t0r> Electra!
[03:29pm] <nuclei> and they wont send much as far as traffic
[03:29pm] <Electra> Hi Bratt!!!!
[03:29pm] <Orbitalz> hey stu
[03:29pm] <Orbitalz> hey Electra
[03:29pm] <stuveltje> hya orb
[03:29pm] <Mr-Yellow> so u think google is going to forget it was targetted
info fast clean that got them where they are?
[03:30pm] <Electra> Hi Bratt/stuveltje/Orb :)
[03:30pm] <nuclei> we are seeing google attempting to clean their index
in a very short time
[03:30pm] * stuveltje <-------is in very shitty mood, but will follo the chat
[03:30pm] <nuclei> and granted they are fucking it up, but it shows they
are getting aggressive
[03:30pm] <Kre8t0r> thats my biggest problem with it Mr-Yellow
[03:30pm] <Mr-Yellow> i think they'll get a lot more like yahoo as far as
non-clean...... but don't know how far they are going to stray from their original
mission
[03:31pm] <nuclei> and that means that any of us who rely on them for 80%
of our traffic have to stay on top of their changes or risk losing a lot.
[03:31pm] <Kre8t0r> IPO's can change a mission fast
[03:31pm] <nuclei> the IPO was the beginning of the end
[03:31pm] <nuclei> it will take 1-2 years
[03:31pm] <nuclei> but its going to dig deep
[03:31pm] <Kre8t0r> the disclosure should be intereting
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[03:31pm] <Mr-Yellow> hey.... just checked AV.... they have learnt
[03:31pm] * bear40 Stuuuuuuuu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! jumps updown..updown
[03:31pm] <nuclei> they will start going more and more towards paid everything
to keep their shareholder happy
[03:31pm] <Mr-Yellow> yahoo looks not bad atm too....
[03:32pm] <stuveltje> hyaaaa bearrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[03:32pm] <Kre8t0r> hey stuuu :p
[03:32pm] <Mr-Yellow> I can remember yahoo being such a huge mess of links
and so many different syndicated search DBs that you had no chance of even finding
where u wanted to start
[03:32pm] <stuveltje> heeeee kreeeeee
[03:32pm] <nuclei> anyways, back to the topic at hand
[03:32pm] <stuveltje> i like yahoo now and dont like google .lol
[03:33pm] <nuclei> if you are going to rely on search engine traffic you
do need to do a few things now that you didnt just weeks ago
[03:33pm] <Mr-Yellow> sorry nuc :-) just 5:30am here and getting my perspective
together :-)
[03:33pm] <nuclei> mainly making sure your page is not full of duplicated
content, and your links are spread across the page
[03:33pm] <nuclei> not in a single clump
[03:33pm] * Kre8t0r kicks google
[03:34pm] <Tana> shit... spread out?
[03:34pm] <stuveltje> lol
[03:34pm] <nuclei> whether we like it or not, google still controls the
marketshare of search traffic
[03:34pm] * Electra kicks google too
[03:34pm] <Kre8t0r> so link tables are not wise not unless you spread them
out thru the page?
[03:35pm] <stuveltje> mmm what about index pages from linksites, they have
traffic trade on those in tables
[03:35pm] <Tana> like recips on freesites cant be 8 in one table?
[03:35pm] <Kre8t0r> good thing i did that to a point from the start... just
for design reasons
[03:35pm] <Kre8t0r> what about network tables at the bottom of pages?
[03:36pm] <nuclei> stuveltje: I had some sites go down that had 11 outbound
links
[03:36pm] <Mr-Yellow> thinking about what they'd use to filter that kinda
stuff..... and I'd have to think tables are ok..... but putting everything in
a single P tag at the bottom not ok..... I'd guess any block element such as DIV,
P, SPAN would be enuff of a break between the links
[03:36pm] <nuclei> now we are not taking "content" links here
[03:36pm] <stuveltje> mmmmm so it wouldnt bewise to put link trade on yur
indexes anymore...
[03:36pm] <Kre8t0r> ok
[03:36pm] <nuclei> we are talking about links that are seen as crosslink
farms
[03:36pm] <Electra> Is this a weekly thingy or a special workshop?
[03:36pm] <nuclei> generally in the footer of the page, and all clumped
together
[03:36pm] <Kre8t0r> traffic chat Electra
[03:37pm] <Kre8t0r> with our special guest :)
[03:37pm] <Mr-Yellow> link | link | link
[03:37pm] <nuclei> yer guest who is 3/4 asleep :P
[03:37pm] <Electra> Sorry...we have traffic chat listed as starting 6pm...can
you e-mail me correct times please?
[03:37pm] <sec_man> so its not so much like a linklist they are targeting
but rather crosslink farms then?
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[03:37pm] <Kre8t0r> lol
[03:37pm] <nuclei> sec correct
[03:37pm] <stuveltje> wow he secman
[03:37pm] <Kre8t0r> mornin m8
[03:37pm] <sec_man> kewl
[03:37pm] <nuclei> they are basically trying to stop people from gaming
them
[03:37pm] <nuclei> (like me)
[03:38pm] <Rowdy> http://www.adultnetsurprise.com/chatroom/index.html -
chat schedule :)
[03:38pm] <stuveltje> mmmm me to
[03:38pm] * Kre8t0r hangs head
[03:38pm] <stuveltje> hahahahah
[03:38pm] * bear40 waves to gecko...g'day
[03:38pm] <Electra> What ablout some of the newer up and coming search engines
I keep reading about? Any of those likely to be competition for google?
[03:38pm] <Kre8t0r> mornin gecko
[03:38pm] <nuclei> basically, if your business depends on se traffic, you
better know whats being done, and you better stay ahead of it
[03:39pm] <Electra> Thanks Rowdy....stop changing your chats about when
I'm not looking lol
[03:39pm] <nuclei> it used to be a game of patience
[03:39pm] <nuclei> now its more of a proactive struggle
[03:39pm] <Rowdy> lol.. hasn't changed in a long time :)
[03:39pm] <Electra> Well then I have screwed up
[03:39pm] <Mr-Yellow> so really you should have few external links on the
main pages and not have them on the IP nextdoor.... and not link the same sites
on all your footers.... and be creative with your footers
[03:39pm] <Kre8t0r> like 3 years :p
[03:39pm] <gecko> morning kreator
[03:39pm] <Rowdy> probably a time zone thing or something when it got recorded
down
[03:39pm] <gecko> morning bear
[03:39pm] <stuveltje> so that i can give for a reason why my traffic from
google to some sites is less
[03:39pm] <Electra> sorry..will change it soon as I can:(
[03:40pm] <nuclei> now the new site sandbox
[03:40pm] <Kre8t0r> so instead of waiting for good results from google we
better start beating them out of them
[03:40pm] <Rowdy> no problem :)
[03:40pm] <nuclei> a lot of people are reporting that new sites are being
indexed with no descriptions, and no ranking ability
[03:40pm] <nuclei> a LOT of sites in the index are showing this
[03:40pm] <Electra> Google is getting too big for its britches:)
[03:41pm] <nuclei> sites that have been added since january are taking months
before they show a description and rank decently at all
[03:42pm] <nuclei> it would almost seem like google is holding them back
so its algo can look them over a lot more in depth
[03:42pm] <Mr-Yellow> to slow down mass spammers and better calculate links?
[03:42pm] <nuclei> or possibly because they know major changes in the algo
are coming fast
[03:42pm] <Kre8t0r> so gone are the days of instant gratification
[03:42pm] <nuclei> kre8 not always.
[03:42pm] <Kre8t0r> ok...
[03:42pm] <nuclei> we have gotten sites that did fine in a week
[03:42pm] <Mr-Yellow> I remember ppl buying domains likes "stupid-free-domain-from-nic.com"
just to get 30 days worth of AV traffic...... if they make ppl wait.....
[03:42pm] <Kre8t0r> kool
[03:43pm] <nuclei> several others are still sitting there in limbo
[03:43pm] <Kre8t0r> with all these changes at google would it be wise for
people to make another engine their prime target?
[03:44pm] <nuclei> I honestly have no clue what the factors are that make
google see some sites and add them normally and not allow rankings for others
[03:44pm] <bear40> could they be looking for useless key words in description??
[03:44pm] <nuclei> I am leaning more and more on yahoo, lately
[03:44pm] <Mr-Yellow> no telling what "useless" is bear
[03:44pm] <Kre8t0r> thats what i was thinking
[03:44pm] <stuveltje> lol bear like pizza
[03:44pm] <nuclei> I still attack google daily, but more of my times going
to Y!
[03:44pm] <bear40> like pizza....lol
[03:44pm] <Kre8t0r> what about AV?
[03:44pm] <nuclei> I see yahoo as the one again before long
[03:45pm] <nuclei> AV aint going anywhere
[03:45pm] <Kre8t0r> k
[03:45pm] <nuclei> they just are not stroing enough now
[03:45pm] <Mr-Yellow> just lookin at AV now...... it's better then i've
seen from them in a long time
[03:45pm] <nuclei> yahoo is buying up everyone
[03:45pm] <NevDull> And have a crappy name for stupid people to type in.
[03:45pm] <Kre8t0r> lol Nev
[03:45pm] <Mr-Yellow> av nev?
[03:45pm] <nuclei> yahoo is growing their worth and size quickly to get
back on top
[03:46pm] <NevDull> How many stupid people will type in AltaVista correctly?
[03:46pm] <Mr-Yellow> av.com
[03:46pm] <nuclei> they are taking marketshare with each aquisition
[03:46pm] <Kre8t0r> so wheres my yahoo toolbar :p
[03:46pm] <nuclei> no idea, ive got theirs installed
[03:46pm] <nuclei> oh and yahoo is now using a beta form of pagerank
[03:46pm] <Orbitalz> hm
[03:47pm] <nuclei> and it already seems to account for about 15% of their
ranking algo
[03:47pm] <Kre8t0r> kool so we may see a new google named yahoo for a while
[03:47pm] <nuclei> very possible
[03:47pm] <nuclei> but dont count G out
[03:47pm] <nuclei> they know yahoo/msn are crawling up their asses
[03:47pm] <nuclei> and you can bet they have some surprises for us in store
[03:47pm] <Kre8t0r> cant believe they went this far with the comp up their
ass
[03:47pm] <nuclei> so expect a rollercoaster ride
[03:48pm] <Kre8t0r> weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee =/
[03:48pm] * bear40 likes rollercoasters...eats lots og hotdogs before riding this
one....lol
[03:48pm] <Kre8t0r> time to break out the yahoo guns
[03:48pm] <Electra> lol
[03:48pm] <gecko> :-)
[03:49pm] <nuclei> the only real good news is google knows they fucked up
with the duplicate content filter they tried , and are now allowing people who
email them back into the index
[03:49pm] <gecko> even adult sites?
[03:49pm] <nuclei> and I know hotscripts and inet have been up their ass
about the linkfarm filter they just tested this past update
[03:49pm] <Kre8t0r> i'm sure that will be limited tho
[03:49pm] <Kre8t0r> time wise that is
[03:49pm] <nuclei> so thats will end up being revertable too
[03:50pm] <nuclei> but those 2 things need to be watched closely from now
on
[03:50pm] <nuclei> because even tho they are slowly reverting the damages,
they are refining the methods
[03:50pm] <nuclei> and they will start using them more and more
[03:50pm] <Kre8t0r> they should have followed rule #1 if it aint broke.......
[03:51pm] <NevDull> It was broken.
[03:51pm] <nuclei> a lot of people sat in the WMW and WPW forums bitching
about how google was hurting their revenue lately.
[03:51pm] <NevDull> Eastern Europeans with perl scripts broke it.
[03:51pm] <nuclei> they failed to understand that google doesnt give a shit
about anyones revenue except theirs
[03:51pm] <Kre8t0r> of course
[03:52pm] <nuclei> google aint here to make us all rich
[03:52pm] <Kre8t0r> that stands with all traffic models...
[03:52pm] <nuclei> they are here to make themselves rich
[03:52pm] <Tana> unless you share the wealth with them?
[03:52pm] <Kre8t0r> exactly
[03:52pm] <NevDull> Someone should make me rich.
[03:52pm] <nuclei> fuck rich, i wanna be wealthy
[03:52pm] <Orbitalz> healthy & wealthy
[03:52pm] <nuclei> anyone can get rich in america
[03:53pm] <nuclei> but wealthy is the real shit
[03:53pm] <NevDull> rich == wealthy in my book
[03:53pm] <nuclei> wealthy means yer entire family is rich
[03:53pm] <Orbitalz> dictionary.com
[03:53pm] <nuclei> and will be for generations
[03:53pm] <NevDull> Bah
[03:53pm] <Kre8t0r> i just want to be comfortable...
[03:53pm] <Orbitalz> :]
[03:53pm] <NevDull> I just want to buy ken a $10k whore.
[03:53pm] <Tana> wealthy is more about how you are when yer rich.
[03:53pm] <stuveltje> mm i just want it all
[03:54pm] <nuclei> I would buy ken a whore
[03:54pm] <Kre8t0r> he wouldnt know what to do with one
[03:54pm] <nuclei> a $10 crack whore who likes sticking her clients with
a knife to rob em!
[03:54pm] <Kre8t0r> lmao
[03:54pm] <Kit> hahaha
[03:54pm] <stuveltje> lol
[03:54pm] <Kre8t0r> i'll pitch in for that
[03:55pm] <Kit> i think we all will:))
[03:55pm] <Kre8t0r> hehe
[03:55pm] <nuclei> anyways thats about all I have today, anyone got specific
questions?
[03:55pm] <Electra> Gotta go and get ready for doctors appointment. Later
:)
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[03:55pm] <stuveltje> fast
[03:55pm] * nuclei is running on empty sleepwise
[03:55pm] <nuclei> :P
[03:55pm] <Tana> about the link farm and spreading them out
[03:55pm] <Rowdy> some good information today.. thanks
[03:55pm] <nuclei> tana yes?
[03:55pm] <Kre8t0r> ok so we need to keep a close eye on google for a while
now... and start thinking about some yahoo traffic too
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[03:56pm] <Tana> ok you said that links should be spread out.. what number
of links?
[03:56pm] <stuveltje> yep great info, i look only at yahoo because there
is now my traffic from
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[03:56pm] <Kit> wb dubb
[03:56pm] <nuclei> tana we dont know at what number it is really
[03:56pm] <stuveltje> i am gonna go, great chat and cya all on the boards.
[03:56pm] <Mr-Yellow> i guess i need to reply to one of those "I just
visited your site and it appears you are not listed in some search engines"
emails :-)
[03:56pm] <Kit> see ya stu
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[03:56pm] <nuclei> shaun and I have started moving our sponsored links to
3 parts of all pages now
[03:56pm] <Kit> lol@Mr-Yellow
[03:57pm] <nuclei> which is a bitch coding-wise i can tell you
[03:57pm] <Tana> that doesnt really affect free sited does it?
[03:57pm] <nuclei> tana the most damage we have seen are when you have 10
or more links all in the footer of a page clumped up
[03:57pm] <nuclei> those are whats being attacked the most
[03:57pm] <nuclei> its seen as spam by the algo
[03:58pm] <Kre8t0r> ok thats all my sites
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[03:58pm] <Tana> ok.. so what I do now that is not important
[03:58pm] <Kre8t0r> perfect
[03:58pm] <dubb> thanks Kit
[03:59pm] <nuclei> its a lot of peoples sites
[03:59pm] <dubb> sorry I took so long
[03:59pm] <Kit> no worries! :))
[03:59pm] <nuclei> thats why i made it a special point of this session
[03:59pm] <Mr-Yellow> ahhhhhh the sun is up
[03:59pm] <Mr-Yellow> i need more coffee :-)
[03:59pm] <nuclei> good idea ben
[03:59pm] <Kre8t0r> great info nuc a definate must for anyone relying on
SE traffic now
[03:59pm] <Tana> thanks for great an informative chat nuclei
[03:59pm] <Mr-Yellow> gotta put my suncream on to avoid bursting into flames
[04:00pm] <Kit> yes, thank you nuclei!
[04:00pm] <Mr-Yellow> thanx nuc!
[04:00pm] <Kit> great chat today!
[04:00pm] <nuclei> Yahoo tips: links are doing better and better, keyword
tag is very important to them, as is keyword density
[04:00pm] <nuclei> target 1-2 keywords per page only
[04:00pm] <Rowdy> thanks for all the info :)
[04:00pm] <nuclei> for spammers: guestbook spam is ruling yahoo serps
[04:01pm] <nuclei> good night all :)
[04:01pm] <Kre8t0r> blogs too?
[04:01pm] <nuclei> kre8 same diff
[04:01pm] <Kre8t0r> nite nuc and thanx again :)
[04:01pm] <Kit> night nuclei:)
[04:01pm] <Kre8t0r> true
[04:02pm] <Rowdy> well all.. have a good one and catch ya on the ans boards
:)
[04:02pm] <Kit> see ya:)
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[04:06pm] <Mr-Yellow> ok ok.... i'm off... cyas tomorrow
[04:06pm] <nuclei> oh and a tip for those that think PPC is a good thing
[04:06pm] <nuclei> http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-654822%2ccurpg-1.cms
[04:09pm] <Orbitalz> http://picard.ytmnd.com/
[04:09pm] <Orbitalz> lol
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